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Post subject:Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Decided to make a part 2 of this shootout. These two amps are pretty different so it's not really an apples to apples comparison but I love them both. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other. Both great for different applications. But riffs galore!


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Love it. I can't decide which I like more though, which is good. I can't fit any more amps in my house or budget.

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Prefer the Marshall myself. Great comparison.

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Awesome vid. Marshall by a long way, sorry Mr Friedman..


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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Hah! Now I feel bad here as I much prefer playing the Friedman. They can definitely be dialed to sound more similar to one another. Comparison videos are always a little goofy in that respect because it's just a snapshot of two different amp settings but it's good fun! Personally, I'm going with the Friedman as it's my main recording / gigging amp, but I do love them both for different reasons. Thanks so much for checking out the video!


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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Great vid and excellent playing dude! Both great amps!

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Hah! Now I feel bad here as I much prefer playing the Friedman. They can definitely be dialed to sound more similar to one another. Comparison videos are always a little goofy in that respect because it's just a snapshot of two different amp settings but it's good fun! Personally, I'm going with the Friedman as it's my main recording / gigging amp, but I do love them both for different reasons. Thanks so much for checking out the video!

Agreed,
The main thing for me is the Friedman's bottom end is tighter than the 800. At a level that is actually pushing the output section (say 10:30 to 11) and the bass controls actually being used, the Friedman can run those with zero flub or squish in the attack. The 800 is no slouch at all, I still love them and use them, but Ive had the DLX for a bit now and got my settings really dialed in, and its seriously good. The BE channel is about as perfect a rhythm channel as I have used, been messing with songs off the Mindcrime album, and it does that rhythm tone in spades
And the loop is amazing..
But I still love a stock 800, been trying to get one a buddy has that's mint for a few years now, it is inevitable that it will be mine. I just don't know why he keeps fighting it

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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Friedman sounds much better to me here, thicker, good punch just overall nice and heavy. I prefer modern tones though. Great video as always man!


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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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I would be happy with either of these. Great tones!


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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Great comparison! I like the 800 best; but both sound great and are different enough to own both.

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I am a fan of the BE-100 Deluxe. Great amp! There is no question on how loved the 800 is though and for good reason.

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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Both amps sound great..but I have no idea why dude set up the Friedman like he did..look at the controls..he's not setting them up for a comparable amount of cut. That's what I hate about these demos(stop looking at the knobs and use you ears)..the JCM800 in inherently brighter and you have to basically fight to keep it from being too bright(presence and treble are BELOW noon) ..The BE100 is more balanced, but look at the controls...he's barely above 12 oclock on the treble and presence..there's room to add some cut and he's just not doing it.
Wish folks would stop looking at where the dial is set and use your ears.
As far as feel and attack I like the Friedman better but he needs to dial in more cut(really I'd dial in the Friedman completely differently than him)
I'd choose the BE100 and put the treble or presence at 1 oclock on both or close(maybe 1 and 1:30..wouldn't take much to balance the difference..the 800 is brighter by nature he has the presence treble below noon.


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Both amps sound great..but I have no idea why dude set up the Friedman like he did..look at the controls..he's not setting them up for a comparable amount of cut. That's what I hate about these demos(stop looking at the knobs and use you ears)..the JCM800 in inherently brighter and you have to basically fight to keep it from being too bright(presence and treble are BELOW noon) ..The BE100 is more balanced, but look at the controls...he's barely above 12 oclock on the treble and presence..there's room to add some cut and he's just not doing it.
Wish folks would stop looking at where the dial is set and use your ears.
As far as feel and attack I like the Friedman better but he needs to dial in more cut(really I'd dial in the Friedman completely differently than him)
I'd choose the BE100 and put the treble or presence at 1 oclock on both or close(maybe 1 and 1:30..wouldn't take much to balance the difference..the 800 is brighter by nature he has the presence treble below noon.

I didn't set the EQ by looking at it. I turned on the amp and played through what I thought sounded good. And then I did the same with the Marshall. When I play the Friedman live, that's generally where I have the EQ set. In this recording (to my ears) the Marshall has too much high end that I would probably end up cutting out with a post EQ if I was putting it in a mix anyways. If you'll look back in the thread, I made this post:
'They can definitely be dialed to sound more similar to one another. Comparison videos are always a little goofy in that respect because it's just a snapshot of two different amp settings but it's good fun! Personally, I'm going with the Friedman as it's my main recording / gigging amp, but I do love them both for different reasons. Thanks so much for checking out the video!'


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Both amps sound great..but I have no idea why dude set up the Friedman like he did..look at the controls..he's not setting them up for a comparable amount of cut. That's what I hate about these demos(stop looking at the knobs and use you ears)..the JCM800 in inherently brighter and you have to basically fight to keep it from being too bright(presence and treble are BELOW noon) ..The BE100 is more balanced, but look at the controls...he's barely above 12 oclock on the treble and presence..there's room to add some cut and he's just not doing it.
Wish folks would stop looking at where the dial is set and use your ears.
As far as feel and attack I like the Friedman better but he needs to dial in more cut(really I'd dial in the Friedman completely differently than him)
I'd choose the BE100 and put the treble or presence at 1 oclock on both or close(maybe 1 and 1:30..wouldn't take much to balance the difference..the 800 is brighter by nature he has the presence treble below noon.

I didn't set the EQ by looking at it. I turned on the amp and played through what I thought sounded good. And then I did the same with the Marshall. When I play the Friedman live, that's generally where I have the EQ set. In this recording (to my ears) the Marshall has too much high end that I would probably end up cutting out with a post EQ if I was putting it in a mix anyways. If you'll look back in the thread, I made this post:
'They can definitely be dialed to sound more similar to one another. Comparison videos are always a little goofy in that respect because it's just a snapshot of two different amp settings but it's good fun! Personally, I'm going with the Friedman as it's my main recording / gigging amp, but I do love them both for different reasons. Thanks so much for checking out the video!'

Hey thank YOU for making the video! Probably just my taste then, I tend to go for a more clear tone(I'm an 80's guy)..and when I think JCM 800 so many of the tones I love come from that amp..and I tend to think of the Friedman as a refined Marshall so i'd set it up for 'that' sound but on steroids. In general IMO, vs. videos focus too much on keeping things tone controls at 12:00..or even some will compare amps to having their tone controls put exactly the same and obviously circuits are different, pots are different tapers and many other factors..drives me nuts ha! Again, thanks for making the video.


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Is that a Suhr PT 2x12 cab broski?
Sounds good man


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Yeah good vid
I have a BE50dlx and 2204. For me, the 2204 is better in a live band mix i find, more cut when the power amp is overdriving. But the BE is a bit thicker in the mids and nicer at lower volumes.
If I had 100W power amps it might be a different story


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Is that a Suhr PT 2x12 cab broski?
Sounds good man

Thanks! Yep, that's the Pete Thorn cab. My main cabs are a Marshall 4x12 w/ Creambacks on top and V30s in the bottom and an EVH 4x12 with V30s but I keep the Suhr 2x12 at home for recording. Great cab!


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Post subject:Re: Friedman BE-100 Deluxe vs Marshall JCM800 VIDEO
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Definitely the Friedman for me! Highs can be boosted more if that's what you're after, so I really don't get the people commenting on that On the DLX especially you have so many switches you can literally make it sound as open and airy as you like! The low end is way tighter on the BE, better note definition, and it's got a great mid push to my ears. Plus something that can't get through a Youtube video is the feel, Friedmans have a certain sponginess/sag that makes those amps super fun to play! Great video dude

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I haven’t tried Flashcard Deluxe, because:. Flashcard Deluxe only offers mobile installation, my I mostly use this kind of software on my desktop. I create courses myself regularly (in fact I only learn self-created courses), and they offer either to create courses by excel, or on mobile! One of the reasons I created Memcode is me not liking the experience of creating flashcards with Memrise, and its absence of formatting. Also I haven’t found an option to import from Quizlet that you talked about (not like it would have helped the process tremendously).

Their webpage:. You can see how much of a headache any standard action takes.So Flashcard Deluxe is clearly not my use case, and I’m not seeing why anyone would want to use it instead of Memrise or Brainscape (though I’d like to hear about it, I bet Flashcard Deluxe’s creators had something in mind). I’ve used Flashcards Deluxe for years.

It has the following advantages:. 5 sided cards. I use this to include conjugations of verbs and declensions of nouns, as well as example sentences and more detailed definitions.

You can set it to test on any two of the sides. It will alternate between these randomly—no need to create two different levels, one for each direction. The other sides will show after you are tested on the card. You can adjust the spaced repetition any way you want.

It is very easy to add photos to any of the sides (Think Mems). You can put each card into one or more categories, which you create yourself. You can then test by category. It is much easier to create a course than on Memrise.

I’ve moved two of my courses to Memrise and it took me months. The original cards were created over maybe two weeks, with many other card sets being created in an hour or two. Audio is added automatically (if you want it to be). The audio in machine generated, but is better than Google’s audio.Audio can also be added manually.

EugeKarns8a, thank you for your memcode, I am definitely going to look at it.The fact Memrise doesn’t include serious users’s feedback among the priority criteria, whenever they are changing things, is well known. Anyone remembering old Memrise Beta remembers this too. The new Memrise went basically against most things the community dreamt of back then.

And we had to accept that the only way to “vote” for a feature was the classical “use or leave” method. It makes me leave from time to time, and return when I miss some of the features. Like many learners, I am not gonna return one day. But Memrise won’t mind, as the millions of the app-toy users are more profitable than serious learners.I wouldn’t hold primarily this against Memrise that much. It is their business. But I definitely care about being able to download the course I did put dozens of hours in, as I’ve made it exactly to cover a gap on the “market” and I would hate to have to make it again. I definitely would like to be informed in time, before anything damaging course creation and keeping happens.

I have a few large course projects (and potentially awesome ones, targetting some weak spots on the courselist) on mind but I am very reluctant to start them in this uncertainty.I am normally content with Anki, but the way to make writing cards there is a bit complicated for me. Writing the words, that is my main reason to use Memrise. The high quality user made courses are another. The community aspect, especially the leaderboard motivating me to put in many hours in order to keep rank or get a few places higher, that was the third one.Leaderboard is gone. The focus on app, which is much less useful as it is far too easy, that is not attractive to me. I really want to learn, not just to play. User based courses are almost impossible to search, and if they are getting broken, it is a problem.

I wouldn’t mind the pro courses being paid and I might even use them, if the quality and level were sufficient, but I am not gonna use phrasebook copies with mistakes even for free. I am far beyond the level in those languages I am learning (actually, you can get past that level pretty fast), I am not a fan of memorising whole phrases, and I am definitely not a fan of occassionally learning mistakes.So, if any writing based SRS arises, I’ll happily join. For now, there is Clozemaster, but you cannot make your own wordlists there.

There is Anki, which doesn’t have a comfortable way to include writing. There are others, which didn’t suit me in other ways.Thanks to everyone for bringing the issue to my attention (I really though the website was more or less a stable project, with just a few broken functions that would get fixed in an update or two). And to everyone working on projects that might serve the serious learners no longer satisfied with Memrise. I do not have the needed skills for such projects, so I can only offer my thanks, and eventually money for a good quality platform. I don’t mind paying a reasonable price, but only if I am a valued customer, getting full value for the money. I am not getting such an impression from Memrise Pro. Geewhy:@MattMendoza60 'Who actually uses the desktop site anyway'Well, I do.

And I am sure many others do as well.I definitely prefer to use the non-app version specifically because I can use chrome add-ons to personalize my experience.I greatly prefer desktop version too, it’s actually my work process as a programmer - I stumble upon the new fact I have to memorize and create a flashcard for it.When I need a fresh reminder/overview of some library I may review whole course for that library.Also I type faster on desktop. Thanks.I’ll send you a mail about course creation there, as I would like to try it out and it is not as easy as it may seem to you (or I am too ignorant, that is an option).I am for now using Memrise, as I really like the user made courses. But I am just not creating anything more.Clozemaster is a nice option too.I think we still have some time. I think the definitive end of the good parts of Memrise will be announced in advance, something like “Wait for our new, awesome, and upgraded version.”.

What we mean is not that The Memrise is dying, but that OUR memrise is dying.The core users are not happy with all the changes they make. The big advantage of apps is the portability.

Digital tools in our smartphones or tablets give us the opportunity to use the empty moments during the day, despite the disadvantages, such as the small screen.However, there is a clear tendency on the digital language teaching market to dumb the apps down. It is not only Memrise, Duolingo is another extremely clear example, and surely not the only one. The apps are changing and becoming more of toys than learning tools.It is clearly a “rational” decision to monetize the apps and get huuuuge crowds of users to get money from, preferably users who cannot just leave, as they are kids and their teachers are forcing them (that is the reason behind such focus on schools, I’d say. Too sad that the serious learners will be left without these tools again, and wait for new ones, that will last a few years before going the same path. So what happened to this thread? It seems so active yet the last activity was almost 3 weeks ago.

Why did so many people think memrise is dead again? I’ve been using it since mid 2014 and so far the only big changes I’ve noticed have been to the interface, the learning and (speed) reviewing has been relatively the same. I haven’t really experienced any bugs either (except for that one period where there was a discrepancy between the displayed learned items in the app and web versions).

I do still miss the course forums, though I didn’t use them much so I haven’t been impacted by them all that much. I also don’t use mems and am not a paid user, yet I still have as much fun learning new stuff as I did almost 3 years ago.

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I have created several courses (of which all but one are private) and am still going strong and will be adding a new language course very soon on top of all my other courses (not all of which are about languages BTW).So I ask, how can you be sure that memrise will be scrapped in the near future? I really hope it doesn’t, cause I don’t have any backups of my courses (cause I thought I wouldn’t need them) and would really hate to lose memrise as a whole. It’s the sole reason I’ve learned as much as I have these years.

Kik4444:the only big changes I’ve noticed have been to the interface,“The only big changes I’ve noticed have been to the interface” Well, yes. I believe that is a big part of the problem.

Like no longer showing number of items per category on the drop-down menu, or suddenly putting everything in alphabetical order on the dashboard, or not having points anymore for the mems, which still bothers me every time I see certain ones that have made me laugh and helped me remember words over the years. There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to many of the changes other than to affirmatively make things less enjoyable or less competitive.

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